Obvious inclusions on the team are MVP Verlander, MVP Miggy Cabrera, and Cy Young winner Max Scherzer. There are some fun guys who the Tigers picked up later, particularly Victor Martinez, Prince Fielder, and Ian Kinsler. The bullpen is also stacked. Also, thank you to those who voted for the last two roster spots, which went to Doug Fister and Alex Wilson 2018. Follow me on Twitter at @MLBShowdown2016 for future polls -- I'm letting the fans pick the player at the most contentious/difficult final position battles!
Also again, major shout out to Matthew Pennertz and Colby Tallafus for their great card creating -- you'll see lots of their cards in here too! So without further ado, let's check out the Tigers!
MVP/Cy Young Justin Verlander is too OP with 8 IP in this early stab at him I took at card creating
Oh, and this little "All Decade" squad is coming in at a "mere" INSERT points!!!
LINEUP: The All Decade Tigers lineup will be a case study towards that age old Showdown question -- how important is speed? Sure, leading off is 2012 Austin Jackson (Colby's chart, absolutely lethal leadoff or #2 hitter for playoff bound Detroit in the 11/12 combo league my friends and I had) with his 22 speed and massive triple range... but after that, only one player above speed B(15). Since the Tigers philosophy must therefore shift to mashing guys in and around, I put superb DH Victor Martinez (Colby chart) in the 2-hole. Yes, he's slow... but I figure Jackson will steal frequently to minimize double plays, whereas anyone else in this lineup will present a huge liability issue in front of Victor. With Victor's greatest weakness minimized, this OB 10, BB at 3 slugger can put up BIG numbers in front of a frontrunner for MVP, 2012 Miguel Cabrera (I have Miggy and Prince in Colby's original card design in color, but I remade them a while back since they're gorgeous cards). Cabrera has easy 40 HR power, a great doubles range, and some useful 3B defense. I put another power hitter in the cleanup spot, although a case could be made for the dependable OB 10, BB at 3 Prince Fielder there. JD will obviously have a lower OBP, but his dominant power is too tempting not to give it more cracks at opposing pitchers. Fielder represents a reliable #5 hitter and should get plenty of RBIs in that role. While I give Detroit's top 5 hitters an edge over the Marlins top 5, their lineup begins to fade while Florida/Miami just kept rolling out OB 9, HR at 17 hitters. Castellanos is a gem of an OB 8 with his double at 12 and Kinsler is an all-around solid OB 8 hitter, but both guys may struggle to find consistent production against all the Control 5 and 6 pitchers that make up the league. Avila brings an OB 10 to the 8 slot (maybe he should move up?), but his lack of OOMF on his chart made him feel like a reliable bottom of the order-type guy. Peralta is similar as a very pedestrian OB 9 hitter, essentially a slightly weaker Brian Anderson down there. However, if he can get a .350ish OBP, that's great lineup depth. Overall... it's all going to come down to whether or not the top OB 10 hitters can slug enough to support the sporadic production from the lower four.
Overall, this lineup comes in at a whopping 3530 points. However, that's 360 points less than the Marlins lineup!!
ROTATION: The Tigers rotation is going to be much lauded for its two-headed, Cy Young filled monster with 2011 Justin Verlander and 2014 Max Scherzer. Verlander is a Tier 1, Pedro 00 type card that'll utterly dominate. His card is presented in its originally created form by Colby and Co. Meanwhile, Scherzer put up three straight Tier 2, C6 on at 16 cards from 2012 thru 2014. However, he finally got that IP 7 in 2014 and so that's the one that made the All Decade team. The number three starter is another Tier 2, the deadly Anibal Sanchez! Sanchez's Control 3 will scare some managers, but that 1-18 out makes him a force. Yes, he's going to have the occasional bad inning in this league... but something tells me that with this bullpen, the All Decade Detroit squad will be able to mitigate the bad outings and maximize the positive from him. The winner of our twitter poll by a wide margin, Doug Fister and his fairly standard C4, Tier 3 card takes the fourth slot in the rotation in large part because of his no doubles, 7-13 GB chart. With a +11 infield, that meshes extremely well with this squad! The rotation is a massive 2250 points.
BULLPEN: The Tigers bring out a Tier 1, three tier 2, and a tier 3 reliever from the bullpen. Alburquerque is the obvious "whoa" pitcher from the bunch as a Control 6, on at 17 pitcher with no doubles allowed. I think a lot of players are going to love having TWO Control 6, no doubles guys to utilize, really taking the strain off of Anibal Sanchez or Doug Fister to go deep into games. Benoit and Shane Greene are no slouches either, bringing stellar Tier 2 cards that'll hold down most offenses. The winner of the final vote for entry onto the squad, Alex Wilson 2018 brings good Control to help out in dire times but, considering the high IP top of the rotation and the four incredible relievers above him, I don't see him pitching many innings in the All Decade League!
We are now TWO teams into the All Decade squads and whoa, it's been back-to-back powerhouse teams. The Tigers end up clocking in at 6710 points as a squad (which shows how unnecessary my idea for an 8000 point salary cap was haha). The teams heavy reliance on players from 2011 thru 2014 demonstrates what serious contenders Detroit was, and it really is a shame that they couldn't close the deal (especially in 2012). So far, here's the point total rankings that I'll update each time (short list so far):
- Florida/Miami Marlins, 6750 points
- Detroit Tigers, 6710 points
Going to be super interesting to see if anyone can crack 7000 points (my money is on the Phillies, Red Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, Nationals, Astros, and Cubs).
Here's my quick analysis:
ReplyDeleteLineup: Cabrera's 2013 card with 11 OB is the top card by far and away, with 7.81 runs, and he'd knock off the 2012 card. The only other adjustment I'd make is having Infante's 2013 card instead of Kinsler as he nudges him with 4.22 runs vs. 3.96 for Kinsler. Kinsler does give you a bit extra defense, speed and a bit more power and it's close so I don't think that's a bad take.
Rotation: I agree with your selection of players, although I'll swap out Scherzer's 2013 card for the 2014 one you have used. 2013 nudges out, though it's 5.8637 to 5.9649 innings weighted. Essentially giving up an IP for an extra out, and with this bullpen I don't think the extra IP is going to be overly necessary, but it's dealer's choice. Order I have is Verlander, Sanchez, Scherzer then Fister.
Bullpen: Alburguerque comes in as the top guy by a decent bit, at 4.4608 runs against, runs adjusted. Valverde is next, and then I actually have a different 2013 Benoit, his 3 control, 18 outs card next. Greene follows him, then Drew Smyly's 2013 card is tied with Wilson's card above so you can use either. Either way, the bullpen ties out about identically.
Overall very similar, just with a few changes. This team is very solid, although it's hurt a bit by it's 8 OBs-but those 8 OBs are very good cards still.
Are you using the 2013 Tigers that Matt made a while back? I've been using the ones by Colby and Co., which makes a difference on what the charts are. I'm intrigued by the OB 11 Miggy being so much better!! I've always preferred an OB 10, HR at 17-20 vs the OB 11, HR at 18... plus doubling at 15 vs doubling at 17 can make sure an impact in the long run vs the extra walks (or so my not-as-mathmatical-mind thinks).
DeleteOk yep, I found the Tigers you used and I didn't factor them into this team. Love my boy Matt, but I've been using the OG Colby/Matthew P cards and charts from 2013 (which is why the different Benoit and Miggy wasn't picked... Matt's Miggy is definitely the strongest, but also accidentally mis-charted).
DeleteThe Colby version of Sanchez is used here, and that's why it doesn't have the C6 on at 16 version that'd be a better #2 option. Also, for analysis because I'm intrigued -- the Colby version of Omar Infante is an OB 8, 1 GB 2-4 FB 5-16 1B 17-18 2B 19 3B 20 HR with +3 fielding and 13 speed, so that's why I went with Kinsler.
I love these breakdowns, it's always awesome to see the analytics take!!! Sorry that this team is (hopefully) going to be the most confusing one due to the 2013 version of the Tigers on THIS blog that I just didn't consider haha whoops!
Colby's Infante version comes in at 4.42 runs which is just higher than his 4 doubles, no triples chart which is 4.22 runs.
DeleteI don't keep track of who made which cards, just enter them all into my sheet, since I can't keep track which are legit and which aren't. Plus half of the point of this is for fun so hey, call me Bud Selig, a little juice makes the game more fun!
Also just as a baseline so you can understand it, a walk is equivalent to about .71 runs, single .9, 1B+ 1.09, double 1.28, triple 1.64, HR 2.1, SB .2, CS -.4. These are based off of major league baseball history, so then I use them, multiply by their charts and then divide by probability they're using their chart vs. an average pitcher.
DeleteAlso... just wait until we get to all the OB 7 and 8 hitters for the Orioles, ooft
ReplyDeletehaha oh BABY...yeah gonna be scary
Delete2013 Chris Davis was a monster
ReplyDelete2015 or 2018 Manny Machado Monster
2012 Adam Jones
2009 Brian Roberts
2014 Nelson Cruz
They are gonna have some pretty lethal hitting.
Haha all those guys are made and ready to join the squad! 2013 Davis in particular is amazing (OB 10, HR at 16)!
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